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		<title>Comment on Are bacteria sentient? by curiouserandcuriouse</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2011/12/13/are-bacteria-sentient/#comment-4822</link>
		<dc:creator>curiouserandcuriouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First, we know that CNSs host consciousness.&quot;

Citation, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, we know that CNSs host consciousness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Citation, please.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Having&#8221; Rights by Dr. Barry Taylor</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2012/04/23/having-rights/#comment-4810</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Barry Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, you&#039;re right.  &quot;Rights&quot; are a human construct, and really refer only to privileges within human society.  In a natural world, there are no privileges granted except the advantages one is born with, horns, teeth, muscle, brain, etc., through power and brutality, and extended only to what the individual is willing to include in &quot;the self&quot;.    However, as human society has advanced and evolved, these &quot;rights&quot;, and thus our view of the self has been extended, from only the powerful, to all men within a culture, to women, to other cultures and races, and hopefully, as we continue to evolve and rely less on brutality, to the other beings and species.  Until we make that next step, our evolution will be thwarted, cut short based solely on our ability to include others in our view of &quot;the self&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, you&#8217;re right.  &#8220;Rights&#8221; are a human construct, and really refer only to privileges within human society.  In a natural world, there are no privileges granted except the advantages one is born with, horns, teeth, muscle, brain, etc., through power and brutality, and extended only to what the individual is willing to include in &#8220;the self&#8221;.    However, as human society has advanced and evolved, these &#8220;rights&#8221;, and thus our view of the self has been extended, from only the powerful, to all men within a culture, to women, to other cultures and races, and hopefully, as we continue to evolve and rely less on brutality, to the other beings and species.  Until we make that next step, our evolution will be thwarted, cut short based solely on our ability to include others in our view of &#8220;the self&#8221;.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Abolition vs. Welfare by t</title>
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		<dc:creator>t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tim.  Appreciate the analogy and your reply!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tim.  Appreciate the analogy and your reply!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abolition vs. Welfare by timgier</title>
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		<dc:creator>timgier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi t,

I am sure that I don&#039;t fully understand your question but I will take a stab at answering it anyway.

I am not questioning the sincerity of anyone&#039;s beliefs, although just in case one is sincere in one&#039;s beliefs, sincerity alone is no reason for one to pay any particular respect to another&#039;s beliefs. I take it, for example, that a racist is sincere in her racist beliefs but that such sincerity doesn&#039;t count as a reason to respect such a belief. Certainly there are persons who sincerely believe in either abolition or welfare, whatever such a belief would mean to them and whatever either such term - abolition or welfare - might refer to for them. No one ought to be surprised to learn that such persons attempt to capitalize on their beliefs, whatever that might mean to them. However, myself, I am bored with the &quot;abolition vs. welfare&quot; debate, regardless of either the sincerity of the beliefs of others or of other&#039;s attempts to capitalize on their beliefs in as much as they may be able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi t,</p>
<p>I am sure that I don&#8217;t fully understand your question but I will take a stab at answering it anyway.</p>
<p>I am not questioning the sincerity of anyone&#8217;s beliefs, although just in case one is sincere in one&#8217;s beliefs, sincerity alone is no reason for one to pay any particular respect to another&#8217;s beliefs. I take it, for example, that a racist is sincere in her racist beliefs but that such sincerity doesn&#8217;t count as a reason to respect such a belief. Certainly there are persons who sincerely believe in either abolition or welfare, whatever such a belief would mean to them and whatever either such term &#8211; abolition or welfare &#8211; might refer to for them. No one ought to be surprised to learn that such persons attempt to capitalize on their beliefs, whatever that might mean to them. However, myself, I am bored with the &#8220;abolition vs. welfare&#8221; debate, regardless of either the sincerity of the beliefs of others or of other&#8217;s attempts to capitalize on their beliefs in as much as they may be able.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abolition vs. Welfare by t</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2012/04/17/abolition-vs-welfare/#comment-4752</link>
		<dc:creator>t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about sincerity of beliefs vs. capitalizing on beliefs?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about sincerity of beliefs vs. capitalizing on beliefs?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abolition vs. Welfare by Sharron</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2012/04/17/abolition-vs-welfare/#comment-4748</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim! I was so excited to get to this link. I&#039;m going now ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim! I was so excited to get to this link. I&#8217;m going now <img src='http://timgier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Utopian Dreams by timgier</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2012/04/14/utopian-dreams/#comment-4716</link>
		<dc:creator>timgier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A messy partial solution would be available for every problem now facing us, and every such partial solution will involve the even more messy business of negotiating with all those who have an interest in the problem and in its resolution. An example of a messy partial solution would be the one to the problem of human slavery in the US: the ban after 1808 on the importation into the US of Africans as slaves - a very messy and no more than a partial solution, but it was part of the history that led to the Emancipation Proclamation (itself another messy partial solution). 

A partial solution, as I said in the post, will perhaps involve steps backward, meaning that partial solutions will sometimes appear to be a furtherance of the problem. How we can tell when something is a solution? There are no solutions, if by solutions one means &quot;no more problems&quot;, that&#039;s the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A messy partial solution would be available for every problem now facing us, and every such partial solution will involve the even more messy business of negotiating with all those who have an interest in the problem and in its resolution. An example of a messy partial solution would be the one to the problem of human slavery in the US: the ban after 1808 on the importation into the US of Africans as slaves &#8211; a very messy and no more than a partial solution, but it was part of the history that led to the Emancipation Proclamation (itself another messy partial solution). </p>
<p>A partial solution, as I said in the post, will perhaps involve steps backward, meaning that partial solutions will sometimes appear to be a furtherance of the problem. How we can tell when something is a solution? There are no solutions, if by solutions one means &#8220;no more problems&#8221;, that&#8217;s the point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Utopian Dreams by L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you provide an example of these &quot;messy partial solutions available to us right now&quot;? 

And also, how do you determine what a &quot;solution&quot; is (partial or not) that we should be getting messy working toward? Meaning, how can we tell if something is a &quot;solution&quot; or just a furtherance of &quot;the problem&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you provide an example of these &#8220;messy partial solutions available to us right now&#8221;? </p>
<p>And also, how do you determine what a &#8220;solution&#8221; is (partial or not) that we should be getting messy working toward? Meaning, how can we tell if something is a &#8220;solution&#8221; or just a furtherance of &#8220;the problem&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are we even asking the right questions? by Faery</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2012/02/29/are-we-even-asking-the-right-questions/#comment-4668</link>
		<dc:creator>Faery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think that those of us who do hang in there as vegans are a ‘next version’ of humans and while our bodies are not changing at the same rate, our spirits have made a quantum leap that is the beginning to a change that humanity is so deeply in need of.&quot;

I loved that quote :)
Also, I feel you, Tim, on this article. I&#039;m the only vegan I know in RL. I live in the rural South, where being vegan is more than a joke, it&#039;s also a sin. I kid you not. How my Christian grandmother can tell me I&#039;m immoral for abstaining from meat, while she advocates the murder (inhumane or otherwise) of her God&#039;s creation is beyond me, but such is the logic of the people in my life. I feel very tired and worn out trying to merely justify my veganism, much less trying to &quot;show the light&quot; to others. It really does seem to me that only when corporations and the gov&#039;t no longer see nonhumans as viable resources for money that their exploitation will end. It&#039;s a sad truth. But, I will never stop following what I know is right, and I&#039;ll probably never stop telling people of the beauty that is a vegan lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that those of us who do hang in there as vegans are a ‘next version’ of humans and while our bodies are not changing at the same rate, our spirits have made a quantum leap that is the beginning to a change that humanity is so deeply in need of.&#8221;</p>
<p>I loved that quote <img src='http://timgier.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Also, I feel you, Tim, on this article. I&#8217;m the only vegan I know in RL. I live in the rural South, where being vegan is more than a joke, it&#8217;s also a sin. I kid you not. How my Christian grandmother can tell me I&#8217;m immoral for abstaining from meat, while she advocates the murder (inhumane or otherwise) of her God&#8217;s creation is beyond me, but such is the logic of the people in my life. I feel very tired and worn out trying to merely justify my veganism, much less trying to &#8220;show the light&#8221; to others. It really does seem to me that only when corporations and the gov&#8217;t no longer see nonhumans as viable resources for money that their exploitation will end. It&#8217;s a sad truth. But, I will never stop following what I know is right, and I&#8217;ll probably never stop telling people of the beauty that is a vegan lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using Force by Faery</title>
		<link>http://timgier.com/2012/03/03/using-force/#comment-4667</link>
		<dc:creator>Faery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*applause*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*applause*</p>
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